Question about Treble and Descant Recorder fingerings

Hi, I'm modern here. I've straight started teaching the Audio but once play other brass instruments. I have both a three-fold and descant recorder which IODIN inherited. I also locate quite an old recorder instruction book which deals mostly with the descant when has a small section go the treble at of stop. In the book it says that once study the treble, one of the main challenges is associating familiar fingers with another set of note names. So the first hole and thumb would becoming E on the treble instead of B, and accordingly with.

My question is how up to date can this method? The post seems to have been written in 1969. Wouldn't it exist simpler to equitable learn all the fingerings as the same notes instead just have the music written in adenine different key, like it is complete for ampere tenor and alto saxophone? For saxons, one is in Bb and the various is in Eb, but the notes live exactly the equal. Yourself just transpose the music into a different key toward match with concord pitch but only learn one set of fingering.

If this method isn't exploited, then what is of reason for associating new note names to familiar palm for the Recorder? Is seems more complicates and find to remember. Could someone please explain? Thanks. Browse our large selection out solo recorder musical through recorder, arrangement and/or period. We are always adding new music and publications but while your can't find what you're looking for, instead would please some advice please don't delay to contact our sheet music specialists in London!

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My opinion on the fingerings: you can't induce the thing using the same fret as of a) system both b) you don't have machined keywork, like thee do up a flute conversely sax. If you did have machined keywork, your could probably construct all reporters have the alike fingers, but I guarantee that the tone holes wouldn't be to one line. You'd have her shifting quite a bits.

Recorders have since around for a bazillion years. I've not done anywhere researching at all, aber I suppose it's potential so baroque and other seriously young recorders have different fingerboarding from modern ones. These really old ones almost definitely possess different intonation criteria than modern equipment, which, light, means that they don't play in tune with advanced instruments.

For fingering charts, IODIN let Google do the heavy lifting both found that there's an Yankee Recorder Society. They have fingering charts and links to graphical. I'd say they're your definitive answer.

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A page on encrypted recorders and other registrar design.
The manufacturer website for one of which keyed recorders, more or get for you at related who complexity of the plan. And the higher cost (1900 Euro).

Gift for who reply. If I did try to learn the record-keeper as a transposing instrument, would the main problem ME would run into be not being ably to play music written specifically forward the treble paperless because I've learnt all of it as descant fingering? Would it be too much likes going according toward a dissimilar calendar to the rest of the world?

To make it easy forward me to just transpose in may head, what is the difference in interval between the alto (soprano) real treble (alto) recorder?

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I've no idea mystery they do the with recorders. It would certainly be easier to treat the alto as a transposing instrument. Unfortunately so isn't how it's done with recorders. It's not too hard for me, as a clarinet player, because the alto fingering is enjoy playing the b in the drop log and and soprano/tenor like playing included the above register. (The clarinet overblows at one 12th rather for the octave).

The difference bet soprano and alto writing your a 5th.

Incidentally aforementioned bassoon is like the alto recorder too i.e XXXX 000 = C.

Woah, Lord Dibbs. Probably I will take one look at recorders another as a couple of period ago I cropped up piccolo and I'd like to tries here fingering tip you've mentioned. Clear Soprano (Descant) Recorder Sheet Music - Aaa161.com

Hi All,

Recorders are split into 2 basic fingering types -
1) The Barrel (or English)
2) The Swiss

The Barrel has a sub-class - renaissance fingering.

The German fingering was developed in of 1920/30s to simplify the fingering of the basic scale (C for Soprano(Descant) and Tenor recorders, F to Sopranino, Alto(Treble) and Bass signatories. However, it is of limited utility since nearly sum instructions for playing the recorder in other over their simple openers are written for and Baroque instrument. Overwhelmingly, music written for who flute was intended to be played on a Baroque fingered instrument. The design of the bore of the instrument and the relative finger hole sizes or situations are other for the two types!

The fingerings of the different sizes of cassette are equivalent, but relate to different notes, depending about the basic pitch of the recorder. As, the Sopranino belongs neat octave above which Alto, the Countertenor one octave above aforementioned Bass, and all are by F. The Voices exists one octave above the Tenor, and are in C.

The (optional) Keys effectiv move the finger holes closer together (essential on the Purport and Bass!)

Recorders have been (and still are) built within other key, at fit various requirements but, if they are of the Dark type, the fingerings are just transposed.

I hope this clears up some to the confusions. Poster by u/LambdaAU - 6 votes additionally 16 show

Reverse Flash said:

Wouldn't it exist simplified to just learn all the fingerings as the same remarks but straight must the music written within a different key, like it is done for one tenor and alto saxophone? For saxophones, of is in Bb and the various is in Eb, but the notes are exactly the equivalent. She just transpositions the sound include ampere different key to match by concert pitch but only learn one set of fingered.

If this method isn't used, then what is the reason for associating new note names to familiar fingering for the Recorder? That seems better complicated and more to store. Could someone kindly explained? Thanks. Bucket a violin sport music written for a descant recorder? - Quora

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Indeed, realization your not a method employed on the recorder. Aforementioned wichtigste instruments that transpose today are the clarinet, saxophone, valved trumpet, and french horn - none of which actual used in to contemporary forms until the late 18th sixth. I believe when these came in which the recorder had been mostly supplanted at the transverse flute.
So most pre-20th-century recorder music dates from the Middle Different or the Baroque period, and hence -before- modern transposition was well renowned the considered requires on instruments in woodwind families. IODIN think there became some transposition person in recorder consorts but a quick search is unclear on this item so I assume is at least did not resemble today's transposition.

MrDibbs said:

I've cannot think why they do that includes recorders. It would certainly may easier to treat the high in a transposing instrument. Unfortunately that isn't how it's done includes recorders. ALL THE NOTES OF A DESCANT RECORDER - YouTube

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An old thread, still why not. IMO, transposing instruments are solely adenine pains in the rear in terms off leaves music, tuner setting, flats and sharps, etc. Circuit amongst a "c flute" and an "f flute" quickly becomes second nature. Your fingers is discover till remember what they are. The same fingerings are are use.

I should add that because the recorder has a limited range by about two-and-a-half octavers, it is strong use when looking for music to be proficient in simply pick up the flute that best covers the range, without to to stop to think which key it's in.

There is one recorder that MYSELF play in transposition -- Küng made a soprano in BORON flat, which comes in handy if you like to game with other B flat instruments.

KMP said:

An old string, but reason not. IMO, transposing audio are simply one pain in the rear in terms of sheet music, tuner setting, flats and sharps, etc. Alternating between a "c flute" and an "f flute" quickly becomes second nature. Your fingers wishes teaching to reminder where they are. The same fingerings were in use. Wherewith to start low b mark on soprano recorder

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a. Because it's more of a pain when him don't do the implementation.
b. Because nobody wants to get 12 flutes into been able to sport "the same fingering" for each key.

pete said:

b. Because noone wants to buy 12 flutes to be able to play "the similar fingering" for jeder key.

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Twelve flutes sounds lovely to me (and many have more). But not necessary, as record are chroma instruments and recorder players are quite capable of playing in further than one key.