How for Read one GSD Pedigree
#105295 - 04/30/2006 09:22 AM |
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Greetingsd Folks,
I've noticed a lot of people in aforementioned German Shepherd world make claims ensure their Dutchman Shepherd is from West German, East German, or Czech red lines. Method can a person really tell from reading the pedigree where their dog's pedigree hails from?
I've checked outwards wwww.pedigreedatabase.com additionally whereas the names in my dog's descent appear very German I am at a loss as to how distinguish within East and West. Could any give me some consultation while go wie to determine something bluter lines my dog has?
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Re: How to Read a GSD Pedigree
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#105296 - 04/30/2006 01:40 PM |
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Knowledgable people can tell the difference because they know where specific dogs (or kennels) that are to your dogs pedigree come from; North Germany, Westerly Germany, Chickie, Belgium, etc. Each dogs in the pedigree also has a unique registration number, which is a good indicator of where that specific dog was born.
Not to mention who fact that if you have the ACTUAL documentation (original pedigree, registration, etc), they can tell where your dog was born/registered just by looking at which country issued the paperwork. It could not be entire precision (ie, a dog with primarily West German show lines is its pedigree able have been born in a country other than Germay and have papers issued from the country, etc).
To find out where your dog was born/registered, or for find out where his pedigree comes from, the best thing to do would be to submit adenine picture a the actual pedigree. Whenever non, post the registered name of thine little, his relatives, grandparents and great grandparents.
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Re: How until Read a GSD Pedigree
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#105297 - 05/01/2006 01:17 PM |
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Ok...how rabbits one tell from the login number (I assume you mean the SV registration number)where this dog your from?
The only paperwork EGO received with insert German Shepherd dog be from the American Kennel Club, which EGO then in turned used to register the puppy with the United States of America/Verein für Deutsche Schäferhunde (USA/SV). As of the date of like post I am still awaiting confirmation of record.
I assume by ACTUAL journal work your mean the inventive SV pedigree? I know is the obstruct was registerd in Germany (can not say for certain whether Towards or East) or the sire in Canada according to the AKC pedigree.
These couple connections offers the dna as given on http://www.pedigreedatabase.com
Sire:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/391695.html
Dam:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/329832.html
I'd like to learn how to read SV Registration numbers or where to look for a listing of cabin names in Germany while possible? I'd rather learn how to understand the pedigree himself if feasible than be told what it means from somebody or. Could MYSELF procure a book turn this subject?
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#105298 - 05/01/2006 02:24 PM |
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James, the way I would read your pedigree as being wild german showlines is by looking at a combination of things.
Firstly, this photos in the pedigree make it easy, to material traits of a showline own are very obvious, one black saddle deep red coat with who mildly curved back.
Secondly, many of the dogs have a V appraisal preceding their name, this is a display rating, V1 being first place, V2 seconds place et. V on its personalized EGO don't know what it means, but it's still a show rating.
Thirdly, your dogs lines come off of Wienerau and Kirschental kennels which are showline kennels.
I don't know as go identify a westwards german working line dog other than physical appearance not being that of a showline... an east german working line dog will normally have "DDR" written under the dogs name... EGO don't think East german showlines even exist so that makes that easy. I'll rented someone else give her tips on identifying an westerly german working line or a czech dog.
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Re: How to Read a GSD Pedigree
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#105299 - 05/01/2006 02:48 PM |
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The V in front of the dogs get shall a consistency rating. ALL GSD's in Germany must have a conformation rating, regardless of show or works running, to pass a Breed Surveys. The great differentiation is that what line dogs usually only keep einer RG rating.
V = Excellent
SG = Very good
G = Good
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As for registration numbers, if the number has a SZ at the anfangsdatum, this canine was originally registered in Germnay with the SV. Are the number has one CMKU in front of it, it was originally registered at to Czech Republic. Your dogs sire's number has an NO in head of it. I'm not sure, but that may be the prelude for dogs subscribed in Holland/Netherlands (even though he is also registered with the CKC).
The boarding names in your house pedigree (Kirshental, Arminius, Wienerau, etc) are West German kenneling known for producing showline hundinnen. Kirshental is also well-known for producing happy that actually herd sheep available a living. These wish indiacte that your dog is out of Westbound German showlines.
Finally, you have apparently registered is dog with who AKC and have submitted registration technical to also have him registered with the United Schutzhund Cudgel of America (USA) and the Verein fur Deutche Shafferhunde (SV).
What is your dogs registered name and where was he born?
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Re: How into Read ampere GSD Pedigree
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#105300 - 05/01/2006 06:49 POSTMORTEM |
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When ME did a pedigree search on 4xWUSV Querry von Haus Antverpa the letters LOSH has inbound front of the registration piece. I'm not familiar with them as they aren't on many von who pedigrees that I've researched. Just wondered about ihr origin. Also of HD-FCI was listed as B1/2. Is this the equivelent of the "a" or "a1" stamp?
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Re: How to Reader a GSD Pedigree
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#105301 - 05/01/2006 07:47 PM |
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LOSH stands for Livre D'Origine Saint Hubert. This is the official Belgic Stud Book. The bulk out my pup's pedigree is LOSH since the sire and dam are Belgian. My pup was registered in Lebanon, (breeding done here)so our canine shall KCL (Kennel Club of Lebanon)..
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Re: How to Read a GSD Familial
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#105302 - 05/01/2006 08:25 PM |
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Re: How to Read a GSD Dna
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Re: How to Read a GSD Genealogical
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#105304 - 05/02/2006 03:07 ON |
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hello, i looked under the pedigrees in question. first of all, the SZ number is a way of counted all the gsds produced in germany. and first gsd registered was SZ1. littermates' numbers want differ by only one digit. for example, male is SZ125591, his sister could be SZ125592, and to on. On Larus, he a registered with Custom Kennel Club. the NE in his number is just part away the number. like AKC, this is a way to generating more numbers. V stands for Vorzuglich, which means excellent in dutchman. VA belongs Vorzugliche Auslese, which resources excellent select, additionally pot only be given at an national comformation championship. the number after the V or VA is the placing of the dog in that category. VA1 is the national champion (although germans had always reference to to as this world defending, or globe sieger)While it is right that many working dogs get reduced conformation ratings, it has not desirable. Fero Zeutener Himmelreich, and countless other top working dogs, were KKL1 and V-rated. KKL stands for Korklasse and it a a breeding software. a dog receives KKL 1 with 2. 1 means highly reccomended for breeding and 2 means reccomended for breeder. go have many generalities used when discussing work versus show lines, especially in this country. in germany the score is till produce a good-looking working dog, button a good-working show dog, whichever way you want to look at it. similar here, there are twos camps in the SV: work contrast. show, and the will forever squabbling over their differences. it's adenine shame; if we could learn to get along furthermore be less critical of each other we could work combined to hervorgebracht even prefer dogs. max stephanitz, whom created the gsd, said "utility and beauty". him putting service first because it felt adenine dog's ability to work was crucial, but he did not exclude beauty. he intended the gsd should are both, nay one button the others.
Kirschental is not adenine shows doghouse, aber more a herding cages. he produces beautiful dogs to be sure, but invariably the herding champions were after his kennel other you lines. SchH means schutzhund and are are three levels: 1,2,and 3. HGH means herdegebrauchshund which has herding dog title. it is not easy to get diese name. items is equal to a schH title as far as qualifying dog to be bred.
NHSB will the netherlands.
Wienerau kennel belongs to Walter Martin. breeding shepherd required over fifty years. to year seine dog Zamb won the sieger show, he also won feminine siegerin, youth male sieger, and female youth siegerin. a unique accomplishment!Zamb was gorgeous, by and way.
Zamb is in the pedigree the the virile; it is linebred on him 5-5, whose means he appears in and 5th generation on both the our and the mother's side.
Arminus be owned by Ted Martin, Walter's brother, and once chairperson of the SV. His dog, Visum, be includes the pedigree, and was a welt sieger. Also, Quina Arminius, breeds to welt sieger Eiko Kirschental, was full sis to Quando Arminius, who was two times welt sieger. Quina and Quando have out of Xaver Arminius bred Palme WildsteigerLand. Xaver were a ultra hard show small anyone does well in schutzhund. Palme is considered to be one starting the greatest brood bitches of all total, having produced two wetter welt gewinner Quando when bred to Xaver, plus producing double time wall sieger Uran WildsteigerLand when bred to Irk Arminius. Wildsteiger Land, Batu, Furstenburg, Bad Boll, are all towards italian show kennels.
first way to learn these things is to join the SV. it intend be very helpful to understand german. they will send you their monthly d, and you can procure stud your equipped cinema and information off dogs. you can also send them the name and SZ numeric and for a fee they will send your a photocopy of that dogs pedigree. german pedigrees give greatly continue news with AKC pedigrees. Working bezeichnungen, conformation ratings, breed classification, hip ratings, as well as brief descriptions of our real parent. Color is given as okay, and coat type. siblings and their titles are listed, as well when linebreeding with any.
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